clutch sometimes sticks in neutral

briansacct

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This has been going on for 10K miles or so. Sometimes, at random, the clutch doesn't want to go into first gear. I can get about halfway towards the first gear position on the box, and it seems to get "stuck." After, at most, 20 seconds of furiously reshifting, it always finds first gear eventually. I have never had a problem shifting into any other gear but first.

Anybody have this problem, or have any idea what it might be? It is the stock clutch FWIW, but I only plan on keeping this car for a max of two more years. So I'm hoping I can squeeze by without getting a new clutch.
 

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So you're saying the shifter is what you're having trouble with, not the clutch wanting to engage once you have the shifter in first?

If the shifter is having troubles, then it seems it would be the shifter cables themselves, issue with the connection to the tranny, or tranny internals with the first gear.
 

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Mine won't go into first sometimes. I put it in reverse then neutral and then back in first a couple times until it goes in. But your seems like it might be the tranny or your leaking fluid? Hmm
 

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I have problems with first gear. I blame it entirely on the fact that it has Straight 90w gear oil. I am sure if i put synchromesh in there, my life will be alot easier.
 

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There is a TSB (HSN 1003-06) that was released by Honda on October 1st, 2003 and applies to 1998-2004 Accord, 1996-2003 Civic, 1997-2003 CR-V, 2003 Element, 2001-03 Insight, and 2000-2003 S2000. It states the following:

If you're getting complaints that the M/T is hard to shift into 1st gear or that it grinds into Reverse, there may not be enough lubrication on the clutch disc spline. If the spline isn't lubricated sufficiently, the clutch disc can drag against the flywheel when the clutch is disengaged. This clutch drag is what makes it a hassle to engage 1st gear and Reverse when the engine is running, especially when the clutch and M/T are cold. To fix this problem and prevent it from happening again, apply a thin coat of super high temperature grease (P/N 08798-9002, H/C 3720984) to the mainshaft splines.

With this being said, I would start with the easiest thing to check which is the tranny fluid level. Put the car on a lift or on jack stands and make sure it is level. Remove the top bolt (I believe it is a 18mm bolt) and fill with Honda tranny fluid until it runs out from the hole). If the fluid level is correct then move onto the next step.
Check your shifter cables (under the hood) and make sure there isn't excessive play in the cable.
Judging by your problem, (which I had the same exact issue) I would highly suggest replacing the clutch. The information on the TSB listed above is the most likely culprit in your problem, and if you're going to go through the trouble of removing the tranny just to lube the mainshaft splines, you might as well replace the clutch and replace or resurface the flywheel. I just replaced the clutch on my car this weekend and made sure to use a light coat of heavy duty high temp grease on the splines and release fork. And the problem went away. Shifts are perfect now, where as before, I had your same problem. If you are going to do the job yourself, follow the sequence listed below:

-REMOVE BATTERY
-REMOVE INTAKE
-REMOVE BATTERY TRAY
-REMOVE ENGINE WIRE HARNESS CLAMP
-REMOVE SLAVE CYLINDER AND CLUTCH LINE CLAMP (DO NOT OPERATE PEDAL AT THIS POINT)
-REMOVE STARTER
-DISCONNECT BACK-UP LIGHT SWITCH CONNECTORS
-REMOVE TRANSMISSION GROUND CABLE AND STARTER CLAMP
-REMOVE CABLE BRACKET
-DISCONNECT THE VEHICLE SPEED SENSOR
-REMOVE ENGINE WIRE HARNESS AND TWO UPPER TRANSMISSION MOUNTING BOLTS
-REMOVE FRONT ENGINE MOUNT BRACKET 3 MOUNTING BOLTS
-RAISE VEHICLE AND MAKE SURE IT IS SECURELY SUPPORTED.
-DRAIN TRANSMISSION FLUID
-REMOVE SPLASH SHIELD
-REMOVE COTTER PINS AND LOOSEN CASTLE NUTS THEN SEPARATE THE BALL JOINTS AND LOWER ARMS ON BOTH SIDES
-REMOVE THE DAMPER FORKS
-REMOVE AXLES
-REMOVE INTERMEDIATE SHAFT
-REMOVE ENGINE STIFFENER (LOWER CLUTCH COVER)
-REMOVE POWER STEERING COOLER LINE FROM FRONT BEAM
-MARK AND THEN REMOVE FRONT BEAM
-LIFT AND SUPPORT THE ENGINE/TRANSMISSION ASSEMBLY
-REMOVE TRANSMISSION MOUNT BRACKET AND TRANSMISSION MOUNT
-REMOVE INTAKE MANIFOLD BRACKET
-REMOVE 2 REAR ENGINE MOUNT BRACKET MOUNTING BOLTS
-REMOVE THE REAR SIDE TRANSMISSION MOUNTING BOLT
-REMOVE FRONT SIDE TRANSMISSION MOUNTING BOLT.
-PULL TRANSMISSION AWAY FROM ENGINE AND LOWER AWAY
-REMOVE BOOT, RELEASE FORK AND RELEASE BEARING FROM THE TRANSMISSION
-REPLACE CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL
-PUT THAT MESS BACK TOGETHER IN REVERSE ORDER

If you don't have the tools (including torque wrenches), confidence or experience, or time to do all of this (safely) then don't even attempt. If you are planning on doing this yourself, you are looking at an ALL DAY job without a lift.

HOPE THIS HELPS!

I forgot to list probable causes...
-LOW OR WRONG TRANSMISSION FLUID
-WORN OR DAMAGED CLUTCH AND/OR FLYWHEEL
-DAMAGED SYNCHRONIZERS
-TOO MUCH SLACK IN SHIFTER CABLES
-OR THE ABOVE TSB

There are a lot of other factors that go into a transmission but given the fact that it only happens in first gear (and in reverse as is the case with Redlinevtec) then the other **** is irrelevant.
 
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honestly... i just live with it, its not that bad..

my solution, when its hard to push, shfit back into neutral, pump the clutch, and it will shift in with no problem. dont try to force it in, you'll screw up your tranny and synchros etc. bad
 

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I had the same issue - gear not wanting to shift into 1st e.g. at a stop light.

I did the following 2 things which has almost eliminated the issue (99%):

1. replaced my leaking clutch slave cylinder. It was not a big leak but I could see some wetness around the cylinder. This made the issue much more bearable - but still had to pump the clutch (2 times) everytime it did not want to shift into 1st.

2. Flushed the clutch fluid - I dont think the clutch fluid was ever replaced in my car (101k miles). So did a complete flush (DIY) and this almost completely resolved the issue. I am feeling a better clutch engagement as well through all the gears (might be psychological?)

So I would definitely recommend doing a clutch fluid flush. It is a very simple DIY process. I used the hand vacuum pump you get at most of the auto stores for doing a brake bleed. YOu will need a 10-12 oz clutch/brake fluid bottle to completely replace it all.
 

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put your car in second then back into first. mine's done it since I got the car. so does my civic. not that big of a deal.
 
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