Which turbo kit?

[retroshark]

ok well i think id know how bad a home made setup is. and find me 3 people that make custom f23 manifolds that fit in the bay... i bet you cant

and exuast shops making intercooler piping??? ok. ever heard of mandrel bending and how hard it is to do? i dont know a single place in all of atlanta that does it.

 

[BlkCurrantKord]

Manifolds - SSAC, SFP, F22 parts, know how to weld? Make your own. There's four.

Piping - **** my lil brother used some generic bends from summit racing and made his own, it aint that hard and some places sell piping kits. **** most of it all bends the same way as every other car. Midas down the road from me made my bro's IC piping once, sure it wasn't the best but they did it. I'm sure there's atleast 1 place in atlanta that does mandrel bending.

 

[shavedaccord]

ok well i think id know how bad a home made setup is. and find me 3 people that make custom f23 manifolds that fit in the bay... i bet you cant

and exuast shops making intercooler piping??? ok. ever heard of mandrel bending and how hard it is to do? i dont know a single place in all of atlanta that does it.

dude..you talk about mandrel bent piping is some rare find..even midas does that **** now..and how hard is it?? it's done on a damn hydraulic power or phenumatic mandrel bender..it's not hard to do all you need to do is measure right and check your angles while your bending..I used to work in a fab shop and done it all the damn time..I made gas cabinets for Texaco, Microsoft etc..what did you think I was saying crinkle bent??? ANY respectable custom exhuast shop can bend up intercooler piping..and don't tell me they can't just because you can't find anyone in your immeidate area that does it.

 

[retroshark]

thus proving my point... a lot of time, a lot of money, that **** isnt cheap. and yes you can get ebay kits but it still requires modifications. you obviously are missing the point. having a kit that has everything is better than having to do all this running around to different places, unless you want somethin gabsolutely 100% original and crazy

 

[shavedaccord]

thus proving my point... a lot of time, a lot of money, that **** isnt cheap. and yes you can get ebay kits but it still requires modifications. you obviously are missing the point. having a kit that has everything is better than having to do all this running around to different places, unless you want somethin gabsolutely 100% original and crazy

All I got to say is b u l l s h i t. Done said what I got to say so no use fighting back in forth because im not budging and obviously you aren't either.

 

[angelplus]

Okay guys, settle the **** down. I like how you guys are letting me know all the info, but I'll be looking around at the kits, and maybe piecing my own, so you guys dont have to fight over it. I'll let you know when the time is right what I choose to do.

 

[BadgerType]

with a kit u just buy it, install it, and have fun<<< recommended for ppl with limited downtime, 3-4k, and who dont know how to, or someone close, weld, tune and whatever is needed after the install

with custom, u get alittle more freedom. u could pick a high pitch or low pitch blow off valve. intercooler size, turbo, wastegate... and so much more<<< good for ppl on budget(buy one product at a time), no time frame for completion, ppl who know alot abt turbos and different setups

i will have to go custom on my setup. no kit company makes an equal length t mani, has a super 60 or bigger turbo and a big enuf ic for my needs

 

[angelplus]

with a kit u just buy it, install it, and have fun<<< recommended for ppl with limited downtime, 3-4k, and who dont know how to, or someone close, weld, tune and whatever is needed after the install

with custom, u get alittle more freedom. u could pick a high pitch or low pitch blow off valve. intercooler size, turbo, wastegate... and so much more<<< good for ppl on budget(buy one product at a time), no time frame for completion, ppl who know alot abt turbos and different setups

i will have to go custom on my setup. no kit company makes an equal length t mani, has a super 60 or bigger turbo and a big enuf ic for my needs

Well, if you have an IC that is too big, then you loose power, so you gotta watch that. But yeah, if you're runing some serious boost, then yeah go for it. But I can see that its more of a pain in the *** to gather up all the parts, but in the long run you can spend less money, built it piece by piece and spend more time thinking about it.

 

[retroshark]

Manifolds - SSAC, SFP, F22 parts, know how to weld? Make your own. There's four.

woah woah, i just noticed this...

SSAC???? wtf.. that does not count, no accord deserves that on its engine.
SFP - definatly, they are great manufacturers
F22 parts... wouldnt trust them, i havent seen many used, so therefore, idk about it.

and making a manifold requires a lot of knowhow as far as flow dynamics and **** like that...

so basically if you have to make your own manifold, you absolutely cannot deal with the fact that you may have to use a premade one, you can call SFP or spooling performance, the people who made mine.

also, you have to consider clearances. the accord does not have a lot of room between the engine and the radiator, or the turbo and the alternator and p/s pump. any company that made a manifold would have to make it so that a downpipe would clear both of those. sure, you could make a really drastic sharp 90 degree bend and clear it, but that would kill the exaust flow. there are currently no companies that make a custom manifold for the f23 with an AC, p/s compatible downpipe. they just wont make it. thats another reason i say get a kit.

also, at turbokits.com you can ask to swap out to a different turbo. the super 60 is matched to the engine, so its about as big as you should go on a stock block, and it spools very fast. also, with the same site, you can get a different BOV if youd like, but you will have to get a new flange for it, since they arent all the same. i think some kits have available upgrade options as well.

really, there isnt a right answer, but since i am one of maybe 3 people on this site who have installed a turbo on their car, and i think am the only one to use custom parts and do the work myself, i would think i knew what i was talking about. anyone can speculate as to what would and wouldnt be hard or what would and would not work in an accord chassis, but until its trieed, nobody can say. no motor is ever bulletproof. its impossible to build a bulletproof motor. even experienced engine builders can only estimate how much power a motor can take. there is no magic equation that takes the engine and gives you the ammount of abuse it can take. there is always things like the elemental buildup of the metal itself that may be totally different to a block made out of the same metal, just cast at a different time... there is no way to know.

lots of people said its crazy to convert an auto to a stick, but as many people have seen, it can and has been done many times. honda dealerships and parts yards wouldnt sell me parts because they said it was too dangerous... nobody knows til its tried.

so back to my point. unless you have installed a turbocharger in your car, or seen parts used in a kit and actually understand the work that goes into the R&D in these companies that makes kits, you cant say as to which is better or which is more cost effective.

 

[retroshark]

Well, if you have an IC that is too big, then you loose power, so you gotta watch that. But yeah, if you're runing some serious boost, then yeah go for it. But I can see that its more of a pain in the *** to gather up all the parts, but in the long run you can spend less money, built it piece by piece and spend more time thinking about it.

and yes, all these people running huge nissan skyline style 40 row intercoolers where they need to cut their front bumper are crazy. you gain a lot of lag, btoh turbo and throttle, from having too big of an intercooler. the ones that come with the kits are perfect for up to about 15psi worth of boost. yes, at 15 psi you should probably be running some kind of intercooler sprayer or temperature management since the air temp is significantly higher, but as long as you are using a good intercooler, you should be fine.

it may seem really silly to worry about what brand intercooler to buy, but there are a lot of issues with cheaper ones. look at a lot of high power cars, those intercoolers made by companies like greddy and HKS cost in the thousands, somtimes up to 4000 for an intercooler! they are very technical and have a lot of really important aspects that make them efficient, or just big flow restrictors. a good intercooler for our cars is anything with a spearco core. they are very cheap compaired to other brands and are great for the money. if you can afford it, a top brand intercooler is great but its a little overkill.

also, things like BOV's and wastegates... you should always used name brands, and make sure they arent knockoffs. just because its only a little cheaper than youve seen on the manufacturers site, doesnt mean its not a knockoff. about 95% of every tial wastegate on ebay is fake. they leak exaust and fail very easily. same with bov's... if they leak, say goodbye to any boost. a good bov is something like the type S from greddy. they are cheap and very good quality. obviously a turbosmart is a great bov too, but as far as i know, the best on teh market is still the HKS SSQV. the technology behind it is really impressive. the turbo pressure actually makes the BOV seal more, so under boost, its impossible that it will leak, plus it sounds wicked