J32a2 from TL type s

[spiggons420]

Hello all,

I have done some research and can not find the exact answers I am looking for. So here is the situation. I found an ad on craigslist for an 02 ACURA TL type s automatic, the back end is smashed in and it is for sale relatively cheap. Normally I would do more searching but I want to get the answers ASAP so it doesnt get sold on me.

So here are the questions: What parts from the engine should I buy to add more power to my current stock j30a1? Can I simply change over the top end? or would it be worth it to just swap the intake and throttle body? I am looking for relatively easy swaps, but do not mind some work if it is worth the results.

So what do you guys think? Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Spencer

 

[coops-sedan]

If it's cheap Buy the whole thing and maybe try to find a 6 speed from the CL. There are so many parts to swap over to your Accord it would be worth it. Just my suggestion.

 

[RedRyder]

Didn’t look hard enough.

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20448

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27829

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44330


And there’s more info on V6P.net

 

[coops-sedan]

Didn’t look hard enough.

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20448

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27829

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44330


And there’s more info on V6P.net

Didn't read hard enough. Read the original post next time. I hate when someone is looking and needing information quickly and people post links with a smart comment. We all need definite information at times. He said he was in a rush. Perhaps he wants to purchase the car as quickly as possible before it is sold and he can't find that one piece of information that will allow him to confidently purchase the car. So he comes here for a solid answer. Not saying every answer is solid but it allows him to react with a greater sense of urgency if he is helped along the way. Good links though.

 

[Jarrett]

A forum exists to establish a knowledge base formed by a community around a particular subject. That knowledge base has been formed and, while disorganized here, contains tons of information on this VERY subject. Many people on the site have done exactly what the op is alluding to with the J32A2 as evident by their very visible signatures. It is likely the one thing the V6 guys on here talk most about.

Responding to a moderator that way is excusing laziness. It's saying that it is okay for someone to ignore the work that everyone has worked hard to document and demand the information they seek filtering out any other big-boy words they might have the inconvenience of having to read. That's part of modifying your car. You're going to have to do some research from time to time. If you don't, you're going to want the entire removal process, swap process and tuning steps regurgitated out for you as well.

Is it okay for someone working in a group project to loaf around the entire time while the other members do the work that will ultimately have the entire group's names on it? And then for the loafer to come in at the last minute before a presentation and ask to be versed in what to say for the presentation so they don't look like a fool? No. And while this is a community and communities certainly exist to help others, ignoring help that is already given is a slap in the face. On a lesser extent, it's taking up bandwidth from the forum that will ultimately be yet another unhelpful post in the search results for people who actually DO search for their answers.

And what if someone does give him the proverbial airplane and spoon-feeds the information the op seeks? Suppose the op is an idiot that can't figure out how to swap J-series parts for other J-series parts. Then he will be upset at the person who originally gave him the reassurance as to what he needed to do. Who wins?

If you want information quick and you're not terribly concerned with how accurate it is, get on a Honda Facebook group. If you want it to be moderately accurate, stick to the forums. Just understand that everyone here has a life and doesn't exist to serve you so that you can create situations that are only advantageous to yourself.

 

[RedRyder]

Didn't read hard enough. Read the original post next time. I hate when someone is looking and needing information quickly and people post links with a smart comment. We all need definite information at times. He said he was in a rush. Perhaps he wants to purchase the car as quickly as possible before it is sold and he can't find that one piece of information that will allow him to confidently purchase the car. So he comes here for a solid answer. Not saying every answer is solid but it allows him to react with a greater sense of urgency if he is helped along the way. Good links though.

If we reposted the same information over and over again every time someone wanted an answer immediately, we would have more redundant threads than we already do. It wouldn’t be right to do that for some people and not others, which is why we emphasize using the search function. Especially if we know the answer to a question already exists in abundance, which in this case it does.

A smart comment would have been “Sure you searched” or “How did you not find this?” or something else rude or completely unhelpful. I simply said he didn’t look hard enough which is true and thus fair to say, and proceeded to post some helpful sources of information.

 

[coops-sedan]

I'm not going to jack this guys thread going back and forth with you.

I would buy the car and swap the engine especially if you can find a CL-S 6 speed buddy. My opinion.

If we reposted the same information over and over again every time someone wanted an answer immediately, we would have more redundant threads than we already do. It wouldn’t be right to do that for some people and not others, which is why we emphasize using the search function. Especially if we know the answer to a question already exists in abundance, which in this case it does.

A smart comment would have been “Sure you searched” or “How did you not find this?” or something else rude or completely unhelpful. I simply said he didn’t look hard enough which is true and thus fair to say, and proceeded to post some helpful sources of information.

 

[WHEEELMAN]

So here are the questions: Can I simply change over the top end? or would it be worth it to just swap the intake and throttle body?

Yes, you can use the heads and all. That 36mm intake valve will clear the J30A1 piston. If you are weary of it clearing, then clay/putty the piston and check clearance.

It is not worth it to swap the Intake Manifold and Throttle Body because the heads on that J30A1 are too small and just don't flow enough air. Save your money.


You will yield about 210 WHP on the Top End swap with a good piggyback tune. E-manage blue will work for tuning. Not really sure on the AEM FIC 6 being compatible with those sensors. It is marketed as "Universal" but it is far from actually being "universal".


You won't actually need to tune the Top End swap as the ECU will run the engine rich enough where you won't lean out the engine and blow it. But, tuning it for WOT will yield your best performance.


other than that, an entire drivetrain swap is what we all do. Sorry I can't be more specific as I am a person who pays someone else to do the work. I just repeat the limited knowledge/experience I have with the J-series.



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** I wish Jarrett would have answered your questions. He has more knowledge than me. Instead, he chose to criticize.

Some of us don't use FACEBOOK, like myself. I don't care for FACEBOOK, Twitter and all that $hit.

 

[spiggons420]

hello everyone,

Thank you all for the extremely helpful information. It was exactly what I needed to assure myself it would be a good purchase. I should be getting the whole setup (engine/tranny/alt/ps/etc) for $400. It seems like a crazy deal.. am i correct in thinking this? And supposedly it only has 60,000 miles and a new timing belt.. I shall keep my fingers crossed. And since I am most likely going through with the purchase I will use this as my build thread for any future questions/comments I might have.

On another note, I apologize for any indigestion I might have caused among my fellow 6th gen accord enthusiasts. I got a little too excited about the CL ad and did not want the opportunity to get away. Anyways, in the future I will try to refrain from posting redundant topics.

Thanks again everyone, and feel free to continue posting ideas you might have about what I should do with my purchase. I am still unsure exactly what I am going to end up doing... Also, besides compression check any personal tips you might have about checking an engine before buying(already out of the car)?


Spencer

 

[RedRyder]

Are you saying you are now considering swapping over the whole drivetrain as opposed to just pulling off a few motor parts? You said you were “looking for relatively easy swaps”, and swapping over that drivetrain will be a larger ordeal. Not trying to discourage, just preparing you. If you do go this route, Juicebox00 and Wheeelman and a couple others could offer up info.

$400 is a steal for all that if it is in good condition/working order. I wouldn’t take the guy’s word on the timing belt though, I’d get documentation proving it’s new. If you can’t obtain that, I’d change it while the motor is out.

If you’re wanting to stay auto, here are the options:
1. Keep your stock auto trans (if it’s working okay), modify J30 with J32 parts.
2. Replace J30/4spd auto with J32/5spd auto (do not try to pair the J32 with the 4spd auto)

If you’re open to manual, I’d do that since the TL/CL 5spd autos can also be problematic. Or another option is find another 02-03 TL with no/dead motor and trans, and swap this drivetrain in. If you stick with the TL, then everything is basically plug n play (unless you go manual), if you stick with the Accord there is custom work involved.


Again, depends on how much work/money you’re wanting to get into.