Any Nitrous gurus? And other hi hp mods.

[boorishid]

ive been researching and trying to learn all i can about hi hp build the last few months as i stated before my car is almost payed for, i want to start building a honda that will smash built civics, sti's, evo's and even rich a holes around with lambos and ferraris. I love accords im 6'6 and hate driving small cars and i like some luxury features i think id only give my 6ga up for a TL.

Anyways my plan is to get CF hood, Trunk, Fenders, and then see how much it will cost to get some custom quarter panels and doors. Then paint it black none of that rice look just class. And im also trying to figure out the right balance for wheels, brakes, and tranny stuff to get as much of the unsprung weight down as much as possible. May be a pipe dream may happen lol, trying to start making more cash again!

Anyways there is a local shop who does custom suspensions and fab work. I talked to there motor guy he seemed to know his stuff pretty well, only problem is hes one of these vw/bmw guys and thinks honda **** is rice but hes overall a nice guy. I told him one of my ideas was to build an all motor f23 with all forged internals and hi compression. The goal being 200hp and 200trq at least. My ultimate goal is 400whp at first. To achieve the rest my plan was to use a zex 200 shot direct port kit with all the goodies. Well this guy is telling me first of all spraying a 200 shot on a 200hp motor will be very hard to achive, and that with nitrous your numbers arent always consitent even with direct port and all the goddies purge warmer etc, your going to get shot that will fluctuate as much as 15hp. Also i started wondering today if 91 octane is even going to be safe with a 200 shot?

This guy is encouraging me to go along with my plan and build the motor as i originally intended hi compression and all then run a turbo on top. hes basically telling me he can fab whatever up, diffrent housings and wheels to spool better if i go with a bigger turbo and get real nuts with boost and compression. Or if i wanna just play it a little safer stick it to 9:1 compression and hell cut stuff up and rebracket it for me to run a little dsm turbo. This would all include a meth kit too.. This would give me potiential to make real HP farther down the road, and i would still get to do my motor build .
Ya know this is sord of an unsafe idea but it would be a fun experment. i will always have an oe motor just in case things go wrong.

For the motor guys out there even with valve work we cant spin are motors to over 6500k right? Like the stroke is just to long?

Idk where to go with this motor thing i figured being in cali all motor is the way to go and be inconspicuous about things. But im starting to just get into f it mode go to odb1 and do what ever i want and just deal with whatever has to be dealt with every two years, wether that means a full motoer swap and odb conversion or a hot smog.

 

[AccordFlex]

uhhh. goodluck with all that.

 

[Wildman]

I think you should maybe keep working and just put the money in the bank and sit on it for 6 months or more, and ask yourself what you really want to do. you have some pretty lofty ambitions for the kinds of cars you think you should be able to run with and the performance you think you can expect.

for one, I wouldn't expect nitrous to be the end-all-be-all. it's an annoying performance mod in a lot of ways and the fact is you're only "fast" for a few seconds at a time and you're paying out of pocket every time you hit the button. I have no idea what prices are now but before it was $3.50-$4.50 a pound and it's not hard to go through a 10 pound tank if you're messing around on a weekend at all, or even in a day.

there have been some guys do some cool engine builds on these forums. But while they're interesting and unique, I don't recall any all-motor guys putting up big numbers or low times so far. I just don't see it happening without REAL forced induction (not nitrous).

I don't mean to be a dick and pass judgment but you sound like a young guy who's excited to try and do a lot of things that he doesn't fully understand yet. It's good that you're asking and talking to local people about it and everything, but really a good stretch of research will be your best friend unless you have the bills to just take your car to an expert, drop it off, and pick it back up months later to pay the bill.

 

[ryan s]

first off...tl;dr...i have a feeling i know what youre asking but i dont care to read about what your mechanic thinks about hondas in between your actual questions.

second...SEARCH. michealp (with some numbers after it) has an IDENTICAL THREAD titled...whaddya know..."200whp or bust". the only others going for n/a horsepower are blkcurrantkord and nasohc, at the moment.


cody, i think you're one of the few who are still active around here with nitrous. errr...do you still have it?

 

[Drift]

You seem to be going in 4 different directions! What's this little bit of power now, big power later crap? Just do it once and do it right?

Go 8.8:1 forged pistons, forged rods, (not eagle), a ramhorn mani, 1000cc injectors, a walbro 255 fuel pump, a GT30r, and Hondata s300. That's 400whp all day on low boost, (10-13psi). You want to run meth? Bam, theres another 70lbft of torque with 8 more psi.

Done.

Dont bother with nitrous, its fun at first, but a waste of money over time.

 

[JMillerUA6]

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

OP if you're looking to build a car that will spank the cars you posted above it's going to take DEEP pockets and a LOT of trial and error. Most of the guys that on here that are making big numbers have gone through a few different setups and engines before getting it where they want it. Shahid (ihazsnail) and Mike probably have the most money (by that I mean more than $15k in performance mods AT LEAST) sunk into their cars out of anyone on this site, and their cars are YEARS in the making.

Bottom line with these cars is big numbers takes big $$.

 

[nyknick1015]

even with a fully built motor, a 200 shot is kinda shooting ur self in the foot... especially on a high compression motor... it has fail written all over it... 200 shot is a really hefty nitrous shot to be spraying even on a newly built motor and i dont recommend it... I wouldn't spray a motor that i just put a couple grand into and like every1 on this forum knows... 200 hp NA is a pretty hefty build

and even if you spray successfully with out blowing your motor, a 200 shot doesn't gaurentee 200 hp. ive seen 75shot setups only yield 15-maybe 20 extra horses to the wheels. maybe more on a boosted motor

as for your turbo idea PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! if this is your first time start small and work your way up. Don't have high hopes from the get go because thats either your gonna shoot your self in the other foot (see now you cant walk) or your gonna be disappointed with the results... Build a reliable turbo setup then work ur way up

Building a NA setup or turbo set up is all trial and error... trial is fine but there is a reason why error is always included in that statement

 

[boorishid]

well what about super? Ive read up alot. I know anytime it gets brought up people are like wont fit lots of work. To me it seems like a blower is the way to go for streetable fun for FI. I dont see any reason why you couldnt rig a centricigal super charger up near the power steering pump somehow. Maybe intsall a dual pully on the alternator. This is honestly the way i have always wanted to go with my engine but have read so many people nay saying the idea in are cars. Is it really gonna be that crazy of an idea to add a blower??

Ive read all the na threads on here and alot of afaccords stuff i know people arent getting exatcly 200hp/tq but there pretty close these are the threads that have inspired me and alot of there trial and error has been done so i dont have to pay 15k.

Drift how come you say dont use golden eagle rods? I was thinking of using one of there electric water pumps very soon to elminate some drag. I know all the problems and hurdles of electric pumps done alot of research. Just wondering do they make bad products, just bad rods??

 

[JMillerUA6]

Anything can be done with unlimited funds. People have tried installing the JRSC (IIRC) on their H swaps but there isn't sufficent room between the engine and the firewall for it to fit.

There is a reason there are no blown I4's on this site.

 

[Wildman]

afaik only company that has made a sc for our cars is comptech, and only for the v6. and they are hard to find.

cody, i think you're one of the few who are still active around here with nitrous. errr...do you still have it?

been years since I've had it