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GoldnKnight22

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Yes, AMR started by re-badging Function&Form coilovers. (which is funny cuz now all he does is bash on them)

I couldn't tell you the details, but from what I've been told, eventually F2 didn't want him reselling their product and they stopped supplying AMR... and Andy started doing his own thing. That's all I can tell ya.
 

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Do your research guys, this guy, his business and products are very questionable (BANNED FROM G20):
BANNED from G20:
g20.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74883&page=8

Bad quality:
forums.tsdnw.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... =amr#p9231

Double charging customers:
saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121635

Bad dealing with his 'group buys':
saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118502

Unsatisfied customer (receiving parts 2 years after payment):
sixthsphere.com/smf/index.php?topic=52719.0

Again, bad product:
sixthsphere.com/smf/index.php?topic=33914.0

Again, bad fitment:
sixthsphere.com/smf/index.php?topic=23009.0

He's a very shady guy, there's a whole lot more, but his coilovers are not as good as he makes it out to be...


copy and pasted from http://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-have-found-the-perfect-coilover-fo-me-2.html

EXACTLY my point

im so happy someone else posted this
as a potential customer I researched amr months ago and i as well found all this info doing a simple google search. When i started reading thru the GB thread I saw Andy REPEATING the kind of behavior that was discussed and exhibited in the links provided above.
I wont post my opinion of him or his business ethics here, ill let you all draw your own conclusions.
All i have to say is WHY didnt all of you that bought these coils research AMR before you dropped all this $? I just dont get it.

Those of you that know me or have seen my TL know i have a lot of $ into it and i can honestly say I NEVER purchased anything for my car that cost this kind of $ without researching it.
Im REALLY sorry some of you are unhappy but I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone that drives a modded car wouldnt do some research on the products they are buying. All this info about AMR was out there guys, all it took was 10-15 minutes of searching to find it.

With that being said i hope all of you get any issues you are having fixed and are happy in the end :)
 

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while working with them he took their product and labeled it his own? did he take acknowledge it or make any attempt at showing that his product was not entirely his own?

That's kind of a dumb point, and honestly doesn't matter. Tons of companies rebrand products and sell them as their own without giving credit. It's the way of the world. If he did it without FF knowing then it may be an issue, but it isn't.
 

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so AMR could have gotten the bolts made out of steel but chose to use aluminum

That's kind of a dumb point too. How does anyone know what he chose to use? Suppliers make mistakes in what they send customers. Stuff gets out the door before anyone can notice. Why read into what Andy intended to use?

You can ask if/why I'm backing Andy; I can ask why you're slamming him. I have an interest in seeing him succeed. What's your interest in seeing him fail?
 

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Do your research guys, this guy, his business and products are very questionable (BANNED FROM G20):
BANNED from G20:
g20.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74883&page=8

Bad quality:
forums.tsdnw.com/viewtopic.php?f=3& ... =amr#p9231

Double charging customers:
saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121635

Bad dealing with his 'group buys':
saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118502

Unsatisfied customer (receiving parts 2 years after payment):
sixthsphere.com/smf/index.php?topic=52719.0

Again, bad product:
sixthsphere.com/smf/index.php?topic=33914.0

Again, bad fitment:
sixthsphere.com/smf/index.php?topic=23009.0

He's a very shady guy, there's a whole lot more, but his coilovers are not as good as he makes it out to be...


copy and pasted from http://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-have-found-the-perfect-coilover-fo-me-2.html

I've done some simple google searches initially and didn't find a lot of negative information. Honestly most of the good stuff I read was from an introductory view, meaning most have never heard of AMR before which I think Andy thrives on. I have to admit my searches where more geared towards Honda/Acura since our cars are. I gave the G20 thread a look, posted by someone here on the AMR group buy, and was pretty shocked about what I read. I dug a little deeper and came upon a lot of the threads posted above. Before the 6thgen group buy happened a lot of people praised AMR and I had high hopes for them to be my next suspension.

From my perspective after reading all that I have and visiting his website, Andy sells his products as being a step above everyone else and backs it with a lifetime warranty. Hearing that he used to use F2's and slap his sticker on them is hilarious. After a year of riding on F2 Type 2 suspension I blew one of my shocks. I can't remember if it was Andy or whoever, it's not important at this point. When I posted on this site my frustration AMR (or a fan) was very quick to jump on the bandwagon stating that they have never had a blown shock reported and have a lifetime warranty. Is that because they refused to pay to have the shock shipped? I don't want an answer.

The sales rep who I was talking to at F&F, who no longer works there who was named Andy lol, was honestly pretty stupid and couldn't understand the problem with my suspension. He sent out a dampening knob. After a month of wating, because he kept forgetting to send it, he finallllly sent it. Now here is the deal: I explained that I didn't have a lot of mechanical experience to take it apart so they offered to send me the entire body with strut inside and mail back the old one. THAT is what I call good customer service. I even got a free small F&F T-shirt for my 300 pound body lol. I actually blew the same one again, my fault, and managed to swap it out myself to avoid shipping charges.

Now my real challenge with Andy and AMR isn't necessarily fitment problems or poor quality of parts (bolts n rattles) or any of the issues stated so far in this thread. My biggest complaint is how Andy represents himself representing the company as a whole. I've been in customer service for over 15 years and he is so unprofessional that I just raise my brows and shake my head when I read his replies. It's pathetic. From a professional's standpoint using profanity and acknowledging disgruntled or unsatisfied whether paid or non potential customers you should always have a positive attitude and address each person with absolute respect no matter what the situation. He goes on ranting about how some people here are childish, when his comments are very much the antithesis.

Andy has stated that he has done a lot of R&D, specifically on our cars, and has created a "superior product". If you are for real, basing your product from the ground up, then you would have never gone with cheap aluminum bolts for starters. Your posts and website announce that every single part of your suspension setups are 100% top notch from the ground up. A real businessman selling what you advertise would find the right bolts and mail them out STAT. By selling a superior product to begin with you void the ability to say you juxtaposed aluminum vs stainless steel. When people have broken bolts after spending $1000+ of their money they don't want to be told to go buy new ones somewhere else or pay more money for something that should have NEVER happened. DUH!

At this point your "Superior Quality" appears to me as a farce and I'm glad I know now before I blew my money. I'm guilty of promoting your product at one point and I surely won't anymore.
 

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That's kind of a dumb point too. How does anyone know what he chose to use? Suppliers make mistakes in what they send customers. Stuff gets out the door before anyone can notice. Why read into what Andy intended to use?

You can ask if/why I'm backing Andy; I can ask why you're slamming him. I have an interest in seeing him succeed. What's your interest in seeing him fail?

I could care less if he fails or succeeds, I'm trying to make the point that he has been talking his coilovers up as super-duper-fantastic and getting people to pay him as much as they are then maybe he should be using components that represent the cost of the coilovers. His supplier is a hardware store, its HIS product so its HIS responsibility to put it all together. I would like to see him come in here and tell us why he's using parts of meager quality and having people pay exceptional prices and waiting extreme amounts of time for their product.
 

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I could care less if he fails or succeeds, I'm trying to make the point that he has been talking his coilovers up as super-duper-fantastic and getting people to pay him as much as they are then maybe he should be using components that represent the cost of the coilovers. His supplier is a hardware store, its HIS product so its HIS responsibility to put it all together. I would like to see him come in here and tell us why he's using parts of meager quality and having people pay exceptional prices and waiting extreme amounts of time for their product.

qft.


kinda like paying for a new benz amg but using made in china parts.
 

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I could care less if he fails or succeeds, I'm trying to make the point that he has been talking his coilovers up as super-duper-fantastic and getting people to pay him as much as they are then maybe he should be using components that represent the cost of the coilovers. His supplier is a hardware store, its HIS product so its HIS responsibility to put it all together. I would like to see him come in here and tell us why he's using parts of meager quality and having people pay exceptional prices and waiting extreme amounts of time for their product.

My only point is your choice of the word choice in your first post. No doubt it's his responsibility and needs to accept the fact that aluminum was used where it shouldn't have been. The fact is, you don't know that he intentionally chose to go cheap w/ the aluminum.
 
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My only point is your choice of the work choice in your first post. No doubt it's his responsibility and needs to accept the fact that aluminum was used where it shouldn't have been. The fact is, you don't know that he intentionally chose to go cheap w/ the aluminum.


what, so he accidentally bought it? :slap:













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This thread is funny. All this because of 2 broken allen bolts which I have replaced a total of less than 7 times in 5 years!! This is the funny thing about the internet, everyone gets rattled up for nothing, when no one knows the facts. My supplier for our hardware is the same place the big boys buy there hardware. What makes you guys experts on bolt quality or what bolt should be used when you know nothing of what is going on, or how many have even ever broken!!!?????

What facts does ANY of you have which proves to me this bolt has failed more than it should. Do you realize if it was a problem it takes a phone call for me to switch to another manufacturer for such a common allen bolt!! Let's be real here people, that's how easy it is. There isn't a problem with bolt quality, never has been. I am sorry you happen to break 2 of them, but it is not something to freak out about, and make it seem the world is ending and make people think that everyone and there mom has had this problem when they have not. If it was a problem I would have changed suppliers long ago. I keep track of everything, and as the person who builds these things I know how many of these we have replaced. All you guys are doing is making things far worse than it seems with no facts to prove anything other than causing drama on here for nothing and wasting everyones time. If you have a problem give me a call.

You guys are brining in **** that doesn't have anything to do with this. Do I have 100 percent feedback on G20.net. YES!

Do I have any problems with a single customer on G20.net NO!! HAVE I SCAMMED ANYONE EVER!! NO!!!! Do I still have customers buying G20 coilovers YES!! I sold 2 sets this past week. :) So what is the problem? The only problem I have is with the owner of that site being a douche bag. He got butt hurt cause I put him in his place, and also denied him a free set of coilovers cause I didn't want to deal with his dictatorish ***. The only problem here is guys that have nothing to do with this are jumping in and making accusations and assumptions with nothing to back it up.

Here is a good example. Just a week ago someone accused me on here for not shipping CanadianEh48 coilovers. Where is my apology? What happened? A few members started posting that I was lying, and etc..Well what proof did any of you have other than CanadianEh48 assuming that I didn't ship them!! Well I posted the receipt!! Guess what, CanadianEh48 not only knows he looks like an *** and jump to assumptions, but everyone else that went along with that b.s. looks like an *** too!! When I spoke the truth..I didn't have to go as far as scanning the receipt...but that is how far some of you have gone to try to tarnish my reputation for balony. You know I love being part of this board, but I didn't realize the amount of people on here that would act in this way. You guys are acting like lil kids pointing fingers, and whispering in eachother ears with rumors and slander with no basis. Even after I shipped them I refunded his money, and sold his set to someone else that would appreciate what I was trying to do. In the end he wanted his money back anyways, but he had no room to talk or accuse me of not shipping them..especially trying to convice other people I didn't which I know he clearly did by seeing other people post and make the same claim. So even if he didn't mean to or not he started a fire he didn't put out..and the only time it was put out is when I had to go as far as scanning the receipt!! That is sad.

Even after I hooked people up with our latest design free of charge...hooked up 2-3 people who paid for non adjustables.with adjustables..too only be **** on at the end for hooking you guys up, and doing this on my spare time to give you a discount. Remember I didn't ask, nor did I organize this groupbuy. It's funny it seems most our problems stem from hooking people up!! I won't ever do a groupbuy on here again since no one seems to appreciate the hardwork we put into these. I only did this to help you guys out, I didn't need the work..we have had a constant amount of work since day 1.

As for whoever brought up this F2 stuff. Here is the facts. I wanted to do more with my company and be more hands on. In 5 years we have become a full race shop, and have our own dampers. F2 continues to do the same thing since day 1. Import coilovers from overseas, they have changed suppliers more than twice..but they continue to sell and mass produce there product. Nothing wrong with that, just 2 different outcomes, and 2 different business plans. I wanted to make high end custom coilovers, they wanted to mass produce, and just stock them. Simple. No drama, nothing..just different ideas, goals, and different markets. I am the REAL DEAL! I own a shock dyno, corner weight scales, lift..my shop ain't warehouse space..we design and manufacturer our parts..we do it all. That is the difference, and why we parted ways. Nothing more, nothing less. They doing there thing, I am doing mine, and that's working on race cars to daily drivers, and being hands on.

If you shy away from our product because of this b.s. then you are very gullable. You can do all the research you want, but remember about 99 percent of the post and or drama are from people who have NEVER seen our touched our product. On top of that they don't have any facts. Here is the simple facts, this bolt has been replaced a total of less than 7 times in 5 years! Am I freaked out about this, NO! Is there need to worry NO!! This is my business, my life...you think I would ruin my reputation on 2 bolts or bad quality bolts! That I would ruin an entire design and product for 1 lil bolt!!!!!! GET REAL people..get out under that rock you crawled under. I am one of the hardest working guys you will ever know. I reward good customers, not cry babies. If anyone has a problem pick up the phone! Don't text me, don't e-mail me..pick up the phone and let me know. Moaning and groaning on here helps NO ONE. It's annoying when customers post online expecting people to help when the only person that can help is the manufacturer. I've been known to go above and beyond for our customers, but those are also customers who don't stab us in the back. Even when I am stabbed in the back I've been known to help customers out.

This customer stabbed me in the back. Claiming his coilovers were making noise when it wasn't the coilovers to begin with. I even inspected them, and had my tech remove the coilovers and install the factory shocks back on. He made a huge post online making us look bad, but atleast he had the balls to post online and apologize to the public for making false accusation unlike CanadianEh48.

Here is the post, check it out yourself.
http://my350z.com/forum/north-west/450472-amr-coilovers-2.html

So even when I was telling them nothing was wrong they made that post which I didn't find out till after I had already found the noise for them. It was not only till a customer of mine saw this post that I was informed, and it was that post that made his decision to buy coilovers from us. If your freaking out because of 2 bolts which again we have only replaced a few times..then you better start giving the other manufacturers a hard time because there failures are far far more worse than this. The fact is my product is superior in every way, and if you want to start comparing my stuff with the other brands then you better start diggin cause you will find worse things with these other brands which are far more serious than 2 broken allen bolts. Ohh noooo!! 2 bolts failed...end of the world...NOT!! My dampers have never blown in 5 years! Not a single company that makes coilovers can say that!! NO ONE!! Especially anyone that has been doing this for atleast 5 years! Keep making a big deal out of nothing..waste your time. Still got enough parts to make a few more sets! I'm done with this thread, I got work to do. Enjoy your weekend.
 
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