Thanks for the info NINaudio. i guess i'm going to go with H techs then, my friend's on them and theres bearly any camber wear at all, plus i guess its a better idea for me to get Htechs cuz the Stechs are kinda low and i drive alot of people around, large people as a matter of fact. with me and then in the car my car would be so low... i see you have image dynamic audio stuff, i just got a sub from them and i'm envies, i wanted to get some audison amps but its way to much, so i had to get something i'm not to pleased about, kicker amps. they are the cheapest, best sounding amps i can find. but my system will be mix and matched, i want some diamond audio speakers and have my ID sub running on kicker amps, and i still need to save for a better Head unit, alpine CDA 9835 if i can find a good used one or get a CDA 9855. sorry for going off subject.