Crash Bolts/Camber Bolts

[Mentality]

Anyone have any info on crash/camber bolts for our McFail front struts?

Lookin to push around an extra degree of neg camber and I hear crash bolts are a cheap alternative; as well as avoiding the loss of shock travel inherent with camber kits.

Sorry I'm pretty lacking on info regarding these things, so if anyone can tell me where to buy ones that'll fit the Accord I'll take care of the rest

 

[CG6Lemon]

r u referring to the washer trick?

 

[Mentality]

r u referring to the washer trick?

from http://faq.neons.org/faq/FAQ_S.html#camber

A: Other Neons can be modified to allow camber adjustment in several ways. The struts can be slotted as above; however, this is not SCCA-legal (in Stock classes) for non-ACR Neons. Another method, which is permitted for all Neons, is the use of the Mopar Camber Adjusting Bolt Package (front bolt p/n 4762135, about $20 for two). These are also known as "crash bolts" because they are used to bring damaged cars back into alignment spec. Crash bolts are round and slightly smaller in diameter than the originals, which allows the adjustment. One bolt in each strut will allow approximately -1 degree of camber. To get near the SCCA-mandated maximum of -2.4 degrees, you will need two bolts (top and bottom) in each strut. Additional camber can be gained by loosening the upper strut bolts and pushing the top inboard.
The crash bolts, being smaller than either cam bolts or the regular knurled bolts, should only be torqued to 140 ft/lbs. Torquing them any higher will stretch the bolts. Consequently, they are unable to generate the clamp load of the originals, and may slip under autocross conditions or with race tires. They should be acceptable for street use, however. I drive approximately 18,000 vigorous street miles a year, and have not experienced any slip in camber using the crash bolts.

There is an improvised fix to prevent crash bolt slippage that seems to work even for autocross: simply paint the lower strut clevice before installing the crash bolts, then tighten them down while the paint is still wet. Once dry, the paint adds enough friction to prevent slipping. Using contrasting colors will also highlight any slip that does occur. (This fix developed by Bud Collins and Phil Osbourne.)

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Different application, same idea... again I dunno if there is even an application for our cars; but I know a DSM I autoX with is using them to great effect, helps fight the McStrut posi camber love in corners

 

[Sketch o5]

you cannot adjust the camber on our cars by simply moving the strut around. also, theres really no way, or room, to move a strut around on a 6th gen. youd have to buy a front camber kit which is part of the upper ball joint. doing that tho, youll lose a little clearance between the uca and strut tower.

 

[JMillerUA6]

You could always do this.......

If you do it will earn you an instant permaban though. Just do it right and get a good camber kit and be done with it. They're relatively inexpensive.

 

[Mentality]

these are crash bolts

we're not talking about moving the strut any significant amount...
I'd really rather not lose any shock travel; Guess I'll ask around next race this Sun and see if anyone has any info... thanks for replies tho!

 

[BlkCurrantKord]

Ya...Hi there.

Do us a favor. Jack up your car, take off the wheels, and take a look at the suspension. REALLY take a look at it. Then get back at us about using those bolts.

kthxbai

 

[Dinzdale40]

yea...moving the shock around will not change your camber...your camber is set by the lengths of your upper and lower control arms....

you must be used to a different type of suspension setup

 

[Accord281]

A) Our cars do not have MacPherson struts so stop referring to them as such.

B) Our cars are not Neons. An article about Neons is about as applicable to Accords as using the users manual that came with my kick a$$ Casio calculator watch to diagnose problems with my XBox 360.

C) No it cannot be done

 

[Mentality]

Well thanks for the, albeit agressive, information...
I'm just going by what I was told by a couple of the guys I AutoX with; so if it's not a MacPhearson type setup what is it?
I can tell by my tire wear that I'm gaining positive camber on the outside front wheel when turning; I'm trying to increase static negative camber to combat that

I def have plenty to learn about suspension geometry