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Brad2274

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wait so am i wrong or what? now im confused hahah, all i know for sure is colder air is generally better for power, intercoolers are used for that reason im pretty sure.
intake is in engine bay but the resonator is in the bumper and has it's inlet close to outside air right?
 

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^ idk bout the v6, but here is the inlet on a 4 cyl
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cooler air is going to be more dense and is going to allow for a bigger combustion, thus more power. on a somewhat related note, I got in a debate with an older family member that has been mechanically inclined for years (working on cars, trucks, bikes etc) on his truck, he was claiming that a larger diameter intake (after the throttle body) is what would increase HP, told me how companies use this design, and claimed it was allowing more air in (because of the size). I could understand if perhaps the shape of the pipe allowed for less turbulence when entering, but to my understanding of basic physics, the smallest diameter, ie the throttle body, would make anything before it useless. Air works the same way in many aspects as water does. If you take two buckets: one large, and one small, and have a drain pipe exiting below it with the same diameters, they are going to drain at the same speed, so same principal for the intake right? Any thoughts, and or confirmation? is it maybe friction that plays a key role?
 

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cooler air is going to be more dense and is going to allow for a bigger combustion, thus more power. on a somewhat related note, I got in a debate with an older family member that has been mechanically inclined for years (working on cars, trucks, bikes etc) on his truck, he was claiming that a larger diameter intake (after the throttle body) is what would increase HP, told me how companies use this design, and claimed it was allowing more air in (because of the size). I could understand if perhaps the shape of the pipe allowed for less turbulence when entering, but to my understanding of basic physics, the smallest diameter, ie the throttle body, would make anything before it useless. Air works the same way in many aspects as water does. If you take two buckets: one large, and one small, and have a drain pipe exiting below it with the same diameters, they are going to drain at the same speed, so same principal for the intake right? Any thoughts, and or confirmation? is it maybe friction that plays a key role?

while air and water are both fluids, the comparison is not exactly identical, as liquids are not compressible as gasses are.

for draining water you have to take atmospheric pressure into consideration and the weight of the water pressing down on the water escaping below

however, I would argue that the volume of air is more important than temperature. Regardless of where the air comes from, all that piping is still in your engine and it's still hot as hell. I'd imagine the temperature difference once the air gets to the intake mani is marginal. This is probably the reason we don't see double-walled or really thick intakes. Instead we have rather larger intakes for aftermarket applications
 
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ok then v6 inlet is much lower than i4 i think, might be wrong.
what about large collectors with venturi inlets then? those have proven to shove more air in, like this one for honda j32-35, then again its for a turbo build
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^there have been some dumb comments on here, and maybe some of them were mine. either way I am curious about the science behind this whether applicable or theoretical. If there are those who know for certain the principals that go into effect, then please enlighten us.

I think everyone is on the same page that more volume of air= bigger combustion = +HP.
I'm wondering if a larger diameter after the throttle body (the intake) can actually let the engine intake larger volumes of air. (So far I have been thinking not). The other thing I would be wondering about is the temperature. Yes cooler air is going to be more dense, that's why its pulling air further away from the engine and closer to the ground (cold air sinks), as stated earlier it is still coming into the engine bay where the temperature will increase. We can think of the air as dense when it first begins, and as it continues to the intake manifold it is becoming less and less dense. so does a CAI actually bring in air that is more dense or is it pretty much the same as a SRI?
 

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Awesome "Moto Classica" shirt! But really, the short end, stay OEM. Short reams look nice (vs ribbed oem rubber crap) so I might show how it fits to OEM box.
 

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