the sealed/ported discussion, box design, etc

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Thanks, Ryan, yeah, we took over a couple of threads, sorry, Gents!

To further the most recent discussion, ported vs sealed, which can handle more power?

The guys on SMD(Street Motivated Devastation) seem to be pretty knowledgeable as well. I've mostly only been on Canadian Car Audio, so, SMD was a pretty interesting site as well.
 
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As far as which can handle more power, I would assume it greatly depends on at what frequency. At/below tuning on a ported box the sub has ridiculous amounts of excursion, and for those frequencies I would say a sealed box would have better power handling because it would dampen the sub. At frequencies above tuning I dont really have any guesses for though...

That link was interesting, saying neither is better. However, it is not everyone's goal to achieve a flat in car response. Sure that would be nice, but some of us, like me, just want a decent response with as much output as possible. In this regard, ported wins hands down, or at least some variation of ported. A sealed box needs a lot more power to have the output of a ported box, so whats the point? For output purposes a ported box is much more efficient and in a daily setup that is what we all want.

I guess thats all I have for now
 

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The thread is going to have a variety of opinions for sure, and the more the merrier, because for me, I'd like to make sure I make informed decisions on which setup would be best suited for my tastes. I have always had a sealed box for my subs, but because this is the most money/effort I have put in to my setup, I'd like to make sure that I get the most out of it.

Let the debate continue.....:coffee:
 

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haha werd a long list of opinions is the best thing to help you decide and learn, last year that was all i did was browse audio forums and just read stuff :action-smiley-042:
 

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I'm going to have to join up on that Steve Meade Designs site.

Looks like they have som e good discussions on there about things.

Just browsing around and looking at some of the setups as well......:ohsnap:
 

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Meade is a great guy, and really knows a thing or two about making some noise!! I hang out on DIY most of the time and there is some good info available. Like a few others have said, there is more to sound than a given box or speaker.
 

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Personally, I think it's all down to personal preference and goals. I prefer my boxes sealed for better SQ and not SP.
 

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As far as which can handle more power, I would assume it greatly depends on at what frequency. At/below tuning on a ported box the sub has ridiculous amounts of excursion, and for those frequencies I would say a sealed box would have better power handling because it would dampen the sub. At frequencies above tuning I dont really have any guesses for though...

That link was interesting, saying neither is better. However, it is not everyone's goal to achieve a flat in car response. Sure that would be nice, but some of us, like me, just want a decent response with as much output as possible. In this regard, ported wins hands down, or at least some variation of ported. A sealed box needs a lot more power to have the output of a ported box, so whats the point? For output purposes a ported box is much more efficient and in a daily setup that is what we all want.

I guess thats all I have for now
the bold is true if you want max output imo. that link i posted was from an sq-oriented forum so most of the members are leaning in that direction.

if we're going to discuss power vs output, where IB? most normal setups featuring 2 12" drivers would be cool running off 300 watts between them. i'm strongly considering doing that with a car that i'm going to keep for a while. in the mean time...messing with a deathbox might be fun.

lets take into account what "daily" means to most of us...usable trunks, perhaps? not spending hundreds on electrical system upgrades? honestly...your box takes up the entire space back there. and how much does it weigh? for max output, yeah, ported is the way to go. my box's airspace is 21" wide, 11" tall, and 6" deep (plus some "fairing" added to hide the amps and stuff)...its tiny. add some polyfill inside...bam...up to a ~.7 cu ft space.

i like audio equipment (had a system in my car(s) since 6 days after i got my license) and i've adopted the "golf bag" rule. cant fit my bag in the trunk...wont take up that space with subs. even with 2 12" subs in my small first car, there was still room for 2 bags in back plus one in the backseat so 3 of us could go at the same time.

the reason we want flat response is so that those of us who dont listen to 20-50Hz "music" wont have a huge spike in the curve. my box doesn't have a tuning frequency. hell its crossed at about 110Hz because i dont need extension under 50Hz very often...so its senseless for me to give up response up top trying to make it play low. its sacrificing some low but honestly...the music i play rarely has some extremely low bass guitar notes in the sub-30Hz range. even if i do play something with some bass, my sub can still go low and love every note under 50Hz. there was a spike around 60Hz without polyfill, and that was eliminated almost instantly. setting the crossovers and gains correctly means the bass is punchy and some songs, recorded just right, are like a punch to the chest...even with less than 600 system watts...yeah...total.

if i move up to a 600 watt amp, i dont think id need much more for the bottom end :coffee:

so there you have my opinion. an ideal, perfect, flat, and physically small ported box would be the only way one would make it into my car. yes ive had ported boxes before, yes they were in my car. the deathbox would be the only ported box id even consider looking at, although i need to do some more reading about it.

"music" was in quotes before because some people actually listen to real music and enjoy hearing all the recording...not just have ours backs bashed with bass. high school was a good time...
 
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Ryan... Its times like these I wonder if you have ever heard a real sub in a good setup. Words cannot even describe how amazing a real system is, when everything is so loud but still crystal clear at the same time. Im not gonna say mine is amazing but it is pretty darn good with 4 tweets 4 midrange 4 midbass and 1 sub...

I was listening to my ported setup the yesterday thinking of this thread, and I honestly thought to myself "D*** I wish people could hear this right now" The bass was as punchy as you could ever want, I was playing confined by as i lay dying with bass notes faster than I can tap my hands to, and it kept up perfect and was tight on every hit. Then I go play some Jeezy or Slim thug, and the lows about break my windshield and take my breath away, and I follow it all up with some Train just to chill out and it was as smooth as a babies, well, yeah. It has a moderatley large spike around 35 hz, but that basically means it just gradually gets softer as it plays higher.

Not to mention you should not be playing a sub above 80hz man, they make midbass for that. For talking about tight punchy bass you think you would know that the less range the sub is demanded to play the punchier it will be, and the same goes for midbass as well.

Whatever im low on sleep and your post kind of set me off, its all good though :Smoker:
 

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