JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 03/12/2012)

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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/11/2011)


already viewed it. and im pretty sure i even quoted one of your comments.

but this is what im not getting about this whole crank thing. both f23a1 and h22a4 have the same deck height.

once crank and rods get here im gonna install everything and see how sizes out. will post lots of pics of this.
 

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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/11/2011)

The link was for Bagoon ^^

The deck height is the same, yes. But the H22 has longer rods and a taller piston (compression height) to make up for its shorter stroke. In fact, those still don't compensate 100%, because the H22 pistons still sit slightly below the deck.
 

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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/20/2011)

some info i found over on attackforums.com




Increasing the stroke:
The stock stroke of an H22 is 90.7mm, and there are several (relatively) inexpensive ways to go about stroking it even further using Honda crankshafts if you're so inclined.

The F & H series blocks are all extremely closely related – so in many instances it's possible to use an F or H series crank in a different block. The only limitations lie in the change in crankshaft mains in 1998 – they went from a 50mm main to a 55mm main. The most common option for an H22 is to use the 95mm crankshaft from the H23 or F22. With the stock bore, this works out to 2,259cc’s of displacement – a 102cc increase (or 2,364cc’s and a 207cc increase if combined w/ an 89mm bore). An even more extreme crankshaft can be found in the F23 engine from some of the more recent Accords – it rings in at a 97mm stroke (2,306cc’s for the stock bore, 2,414cc’s on an 89mm bore).

But however much fun it is to dream about the vast amounts of displacement available via stroke, there are some serious considerations to make beforehand. By changing the stroke, you’re messing with some fairly vital engine geometries – namely bore/stroke & rod/stroke ratios.

Without delving too deeply into the physics of engine geometry, basically the length of an engine’s stroke (and the resultant rod length) is directly proportional to it’s ability to rev. Longer stroke = faster piston speeds. Shorter rod = faster piston acceleration, more side-loading, and less dwell time at TDC. As a result, the engine’s torque curve will want to move lower in the powerband (which can make any kind of aggressive final drive you’d like to use quite frustrating). Because of the increased piston speeds, do NOT expect to be able to rev to the stock redline w/out some seriously strong connecting rods & rod bolts. And even if your bottom end is physically capable of taking the abuse of the forces resultant of uber-high piston speeds, chances aren’t good of you making any power up there to begin with – at least, not without some hardcore headwork & massive camshafts. The longer your stroke gets, the harder it is to fill those cylinders efficiently. The shorter the rods, the more power you'll lose due to friction against the sides of the cylinder walls. At it’s extremes, the pistons will actually begin to move as fast (or faster) than the combustion’s flame front. There’s obviously not much power to be found in that scenario.

Another concern is that on the 95 & 97mm crankshafts, less care is taken from the factory in getting them balanced for higher rpm operation - although they're still very nice forged steel units, they're simply not designed to be spun at the kind of speeds the H22 was. So if you decide to use one of these cranks, some extra work balancing, polishing, and even cryo-treating for more strength would be in order.

One final reliability consideration is the oil squirters . . . The H22 comes stock with oil squirters aimed up at the bottom of the pistons. This helps cool the pistons and ensures proper oiling in the cylinder. However, when the move is made to a larger crankshaft, they may not fit anymore . . . which would hardly be desirable for sustained high-rpm operation.

As far as actual stroker kits that are available for the H22, there's some options available, but only a few of which are at all realistic. Supposedly JUN makes one, but I wouldn't know where to start to find it for sale. And knowing JUN, it's no doubt obscenely expensive. Another option I'm semi-aware of is via Top Fuel. The page is all in Japanese, but it appears to be a kit w/ crank, rods, & pistons, costing 168k yen (~$1,500). This seems to be too affordable to be true, though - and again, I wouldn't begin to know where to purchase it.

Or you could go the Crower route - custom Crower crankshafts start at about $2,600. Pair it up with custom rods & whatever pistons you like, and there's your kit. The last possibility that I know of would be R&D Dyno - they advertise 2.4 liter shortblocks assembled starting at $4,500 - or unassembled kits starting at 3 grand.
 

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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/20/2011)

since the h and f series are so closely related.. can i swap in the h and use my f23 ecu with the stock tune until i get to the speed shop for my tune on a p28 chipped?

also im still wondering what the sensor/plug thats located under the oil filter. its pictured above.
 

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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/20/2011)

Heres a list I threw together from various manufacturers websites and other forums.


Cam Specs

USDM H22A1 (’94-’96) Stock 288°/308° 231°/234° .448"/.415" 11.38/10.54

JDM H22 (’92-’96) Stock 296°/300° 232°/228° .456"/.420" 11.58/10.67

JDM H22A (Type S) Stock 306°/310° 230°/230° .469"/.438" 11.91/11.12

Skunk2 Pro Series H-series DOHC VTEC camshaft specs

H-series Pro 1 - IN. 264* / 12.6 ; EX. 264* / 11.9
H-series Pro 2 - IN. 270* / 12.8 ; EX. 276* / 12.0
H-series Pro 3 - IN. 277* / 13.0 ; EX. 284* / 12.4

Tuner Series
Skunk2 Stage 1:
Cam Specs: IN. 0.473,254; EX. 0.437,258

Tuner Series Stage 2:
Cam Specs: IN. 0.473,254; EX. 0.437,258

Brian Crower Cams

Turbo Stage 2
BC0031 304°/306°
214°/216°
210°/216° 233°/235°
184°/192°
176°/184° .464"/.448"
.324"/.312"
.262"/.247" 11.78/11.38
8.23/7.92
6.65/6.27
BC0030
or
BC0030S
Normally Aspirated Stage 2
Specification
Hot street/strip or road race specification. Use with CAI, H, E, ECU, A/F mods. Excellent street manners. Requires kit BC0030.
BC0032
312°/310°
220°/220°
216°/218° 255°/248°
200°/198°
198°/196° .470"/.469"
.325"/.308"
.280"/.264" 11.94/11.91
8.25/7.82
7.11/6.70
Normally Aspirated Specification Stage 3

318°/316°
228°/226°
224°/224° 263°/255°
216°/212°
198°/194° .470"/.470"
.360"/.354"
.268"/.256" 11.94/11.94
9.14/8.99
6.80/6.50

Blox Tuner Series Type-B VTEC Camshafts for H Series - 12.8mm / 272, 11.9mm / 280

Jun H22 Cam specs

>>> #1 (Pri) #2 (Mid) #3 (2nd)
>>> Duration Lift Duration Lift Duration Lift VC
INT 62 (248) 9.2 74 (296) 12.2 60 (240) 7.7 0.17
EXH 61 (244) 7.7 74 (296) 11.9 63 (252) 9.0 0.19

VC = Valve Clearance
 

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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/20/2011)

So why not use the F22/H23 Crank with Bisi F22/H23 long rods? It gives the longer rod, and a custom shorter compression height piston. For WAAAAYYYY LESS than a stroker kit.

i mean staying at 87mm youll only be at a 2.3L, you'd have to bore to 89mm to get to a 2.4L.
 

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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/20/2011)

because im building an A4.. the mains are different.

if i woulda known the things i do now.. i would've done this build completely different..
 
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Re: JDMCG3's N/A H22 Build (Last Update: 12/20/2011)

Engine Blocks

H22A4 Block - Open Deck
H22A block - Closed Deck
H23A block - Open Deck
H23A1 block - Closed Deck
F22 block - Open Deck
F23 block - Open Deck
F20B block - Open Deck

Deck Height

H22A4 Block - 8.643
H22A block - 8.643
H23A block - 8.643
H23A1 block - 8.643
F22 block - 8.643
F23 block - 8.643
F20B block - 8.643

Bore

H22A4 Block - 87mm/3.425
H22A block - 87mm/3.425
H23A block - 87mm/3.425
H23A1 block - 87mm/3.425
F22 block - 85mm/3.346
F23 block - 86mm/3.385
F20B - 85mm/3.346


Crankshafts

Stroke

H22A4 - 90.7mm/3.570
H22A - 90.7mm/3.570
H23A - 95mm/3.740
H23A1 - 95mm/3.740
F22 - 95mm/3.740
F23 - 97mm/3.818
F20B - 88mm/3.464

Main Journal Diameter

H22A4 - 55mm
H22A4 - 50mm (1997 Only)
H22A - 50mm
H23A - 55mm
H23A1 - 50mm
F22 - 50mm
F23 - 55mm
F20B - 55mm

Rod Journal Diameter

H22A4 - 1.888
H22A - 1.888
H23A - 1.888
H23A1 - 1.888
F22 - 1.888
F23 - 1.771
F20B - 1.771


Rods

Length

H22A4 - 5.633
H22A - 5.633
H23A - 5.572
H23A1 - 5.572
F22 - 5.572
F23 - 5.551
F20B - 5.709

Width

H22A4 - .935
H22A - .935
H23A - .935
H23A1 - .935
F22 - .935
F23 - .780
F20B - .935

BE Bore

H22A4 - 2.008
H22A - 2.008
H23A - 2.008
H23A1 - 2.008
F22 - 2.008
F23 - 1.890
F20B - 1.890

Pin Bore

H22A4 -.8649-.8654
H22A - .8649-.8654
H23A -.8649-.8654
H23A1 - .8649-.8654
F22 - .8649-.8654
F23 - .8649-.8654
F20B -.8649-.8654


Pistons

Bore

H22A4 - 87mm/3.425
H22A - 87mm/3.425
H23A - 87mm/3.425
H23A1 - 87mm/3.425
F22 - 85mm/3.346
F23 - 86mm/3.385
F20B - 85mm/3.346


Compression Height

H22A4 - 1.221
H22A - 1.221
H23A - 1.203
H23A1 - 1.203
F22A1 - 1.203
F22A4 - 1.203
F23A1 - 1.181
F20B - 1.221

Wrist Pin Diameter

H22A4 - .866
H22A - .866
H23A - .866
H23A1 - .866
F22 - .866
F23 - .866
F20B - .866


Bearings

Main Bearing Thickness

Blue: 2.013 - 2.010mm / 0.0793 - 0.0791
Black: 2.010 - 2.007mm / 0.0791 - 0.0790
Brown: 2.007 - 2.004mm / 0.0790 - 0.0789
Green: 2.004 - 2.001mm / 0.0789 - 0.0788
Yellow: 2.001 - 1.998mm / 0.0788 - 0.0787
Pink: 1.998 - 1.995mm / 0.0787 - 0.0785
Red: 1.995 - 1.992mm / 0.0785 - 0.0783

Rod Bearing Thickness

Blue: 1.510 - 1.507mm / 0.0594 - 0.0593
Black: 1.507 - 1.504mm / 0.0593 - 0.0592
Brown: 1.504 - 1.501mm / 0.0592 - 0.0591
Green: 1.501 - 1.498mm / 0.0591 - 0.0590
Yellow: 1.498 - 1.495mm / 0.0590 - 0.0589
Pink: 1.495 - 1.492mm / 0.0589 - 0.0587
Red: 1.492 - 1.489mm / 0.0587 - 0.0586

Main Bearing Width

H22A4 - .784
H22A - .784
H23A - .784
H23A1 - .784
F22A1 - .784
F22A4 - .784
F23A1 - .784
F23A4 - .784
F23A5 - .784
F20B - .784

Rod Bearing Width

H22A4 - .762
H22A - .762
H23A - .762
H23A1 - .762
F22A1 - .762
F22A4 - .762
F23A1 - .609
F23A4 - .609
F23A5 - .609
F20B - .762


Cylinder Heads

Combustion Chamber Volume

H22A4 - 53.8cc
H22A - 53.8cc
H23A - 53.8cc
H23A1 - 50cc
F22A1 - 50cc
F22A4 - 50cc
F23A1 - 50cc
F23A4 - 50cc
F23A5 - 50cc
F20B

Intake Valve Diameter

H22A4 - 35mm
H22A - 35mm
H23A - 35mm
H23A1 - 34mm
F22 - 34mm
F23 - 34mm
F20B - 34mm

Exhaust Valve Diameter

H22A4 - 30mm
H22A - 30mm
H23A - 30mm
H23A1 - 29mm
F22 - 29mm
F23 - 29mm
F20B - 29mm

Injector Flow Rates

H22A4 - 290cc
H22A - 325cc
H23A -
H23A1 - 235cc
F22 - 235cc
F23 - 235cc
F20B -


Head Gaskets

Bore

H22A4 - 88mm
H22A - 88mm
H23A - 88mm
H23A1 - 88mm
F22 - 86mm
F23 - 87mm
F20B - 86mm

Thickness

H22A4 - .026
H22A - .026
H23A - .026
H23A1 - .026
F22 - .026
F23 - .026
F20B - .026
 
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