simple question

[GoldnKnight22]

Make sure you get the 04-06 TL MANUAL sway bar. or 07-08 TL-S sway bar.

they are the same, and they are thicker than the regular 04 TL sway bar.

 

[Sketch o5]

front strut bar is mostly for looks, minimal difference

wrong. a front strut bar would give you a noticeable difference when coupled with at least some type of aftermarket suspension, not stock.

front sway bar helps

wrong. a rear sway bar helps, not the front....maybe if you want to steer straight into a wall or some ****, then yes, a front sway bar would be right up your alley.

rear strut worth it, but only with other parts

really? thats interesting considering 1. no one even makes one for our cars, 2. there no space for one to fit, and 3. itd be as pointless as watching grass grow since the unibody of the car is basically a rear strut tower brace. the rear strut towers are directly connected via the body of the car, any form of rear strut tower brace would be a waste.

R.S.B. first

wrong. you should always do a suspension set up first. upgrading the rear sway while still keeping stock suspension is like taking a **** and not wiping your ***...a retarded mess.

+1.

and just for that...

you both have no clue what youre talking about.



also, those under body chassis braces do absolutely nothing and are purely cosmetic. a front one might do something, but still, very very little, if anything at all. all itd really do is decrease your ground clearance by hanging that much lower under your car. plus, we really dont need much more of a stiffer front end.

 

[CrosCntryAccord]

well said

 

[98acclude]

a front sway bar is bad even if it comes with a full kit? like if you got the full suspension techniques anti sway bar kit? I think the front is 27 mm if I remember right but would you jus understeer every time you try taking a corner? I would think if both the front n rear came from the same company they'd work together pretty well... it would even it out right? I was thinking if you just had a massive rear sway bar with our stock front sway bar it would cause us to oversteer around turns... Im jus curious what you think sketch...

 

[CG6Lemon]

rofl andy.

 

[Sketch o5]

a front sway bar is bad even if it comes with a full kit? like if you got the full suspension techniques anti sway bar kit? I think the front is 27 mm if I remember right but would you jus understeer every time you try taking a corner? I would think if both the front n rear came from the same company they'd work together pretty well... it would even it out right? I was thinking if you just had a massive rear sway bar with our stock front sway bar it would cause us to oversteer around turns... Im jus curious what you think sketch...

from what ive read, front sways dont often come larger, maybe a bit stiffer. but, with the 6g's, quite a few people have done just the rear sways, myself included, and have had nothing but great results. a larger rear sway will decrease the understeer our cars have...which happens to be gobs of it, haha.

the thing with the kits is that itll stiffen it up all around, so while the rear sway being a bit larger will help the car rotate around the corners, the stiffer front sway will just subtract from adding the larger rear.

im not gonna retype this haha, but really, fuzz said it best here...

Just go with a 24mm Rear Sway bar from a TL-S from Progress. A sway bar helps with the rigidity of the suspension and gives it the tendancy to "slide". The front sway bar causes the front end of the car to slide - therefore give you understeer.

Pretty much all vehicle manufactures will give you a massive front sway bar to allow the car to understeer. An understeering car is "easier" to control. By adding a rear sway bar, you are giving the rear end of to slide a bit and therefore the car will "rotate" properly in the corners.

Now, I speak from track knowledge here, and you should not ever be driving at speeds on the street or performing manuvers to allow the rear end to swing out - so I am not going to tell you that it does... but it helps.

If you add really stiff springs from GC (with proper shocks like Koni Yellows or Race), then the entire front end is stiff enough, you can actually disconnect the front sway bar to eliminate the entire tendancy of understeer - and greatly increase the cars ability to oversteer.

Long story short = Increasing the Front Sway bar ... NO NO.

basically, if you stick with the stock front sway, and save yourself some cash and just do the rear, your car will still end up handling just as well, if not better. i swear, on a good day, mines on rails lol. ive got the progress 24mm 04+ tl rear sway, and a stock front, and its a huge improvement over the stock rear sway....which feels like its not even really there since i had mine disconnected for 2 years and couldnt tell a difference between it being hooked up or not

 

[frantz954]

sketch... on all of it. couldn't have been said any better.lol!

 

[98acclude]

thanx sketch! that helped immensely! cause I found the full kit for like 160 but if the front isnt going to make things better then there's no reason to get it!

 

[Russianred]

wrong. a front strut bar would give you a noticeable difference when coupled with at least some type of aftermarket suspension, not stock.



wrong. a rear sway bar helps, not the front....maybe if you want to steer straight into a wall or some ****, then yes, a front sway bar would be right up your alley.



really? thats interesting considering 1. no one even makes one for our cars, 2. there no space for one to fit, and 3. itd be as pointless as watching grass grow since the unibody of the car is basically a rear strut tower brace. the rear strut towers are directly connected via the body of the car, any form of rear strut tower brace would be a waste.



wrong. you should always do a suspension set up first. upgrading the rear sway while still keeping stock suspension is like taking a **** and not wiping your ***...a retarded mess.



and just for that...

you both have no clue what youre talking about.



also, those under body chassis braces do absolutely nothing and are purely cosmetic. a front one might do something, but still, very very little, if anything at all. all itd really do is decrease your ground clearance by hanging that much lower under your car. plus, we really dont need much more of a stiffer front end.

+ 1,000,000 Andy, you own this whole thread hhahahahaha Agreed 110% on all your points.

 

[Mr.Hollow]

wrong. a front strut bar would give you a noticeable difference when coupled with at least some type of aftermarket suspension, not stock.



wrong. a rear sway bar helps, not the front....maybe if you want to steer straight into a wall or some ****, then yes, a front sway bar would be right up your alley.



really? thats interesting considering 1. no one even makes one for our cars, 2. there no space for one to fit, and 3. itd be as pointless as watching grass grow since the unibody of the car is basically a rear strut tower brace. the rear strut towers are directly connected via the body of the car, any form of rear strut tower brace would be a waste.



wrong. you should always do a suspension set up first. upgrading the rear sway while still keeping stock suspension is like taking a **** and not wiping your ***...a retarded mess.



and just for that...




you both have no clue what youre talking about.



also, those under body chassis braces do absolutely nothing and are purely cosmetic. a front one might do something, but still, very very little, if anything at all. all itd really do is decrease your ground clearance by hanging that much lower under your car. plus, we really dont need much more of a stiffer front end.

Coming from the graphic designer in school who can't afford proper suspension because he is paying for said school himself who gave a few words who is apparently a guru:
1) i said minimal, not none, although most 3 piece strut bars which are far more common and cheaper hardly do thier intended job, I realize a one piece bar would help, although i figured our friend here was considering the first
2) I said front sway bars help, although it creates more understeer, i should be more specific if we are just talking about our cars, on a fwd like you said it would stiffen up the front too much and the rear will loose stability

3) I meant in general for cars. I didn't emphasize it too much considering, And yeah idk they didn't make one for our cars, never really cared if they did

4) I said RSB first because suspension is a given, by now everybody on this forum should know that cuz its thrown up on every intro thread.


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