Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 10/28/13

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Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 1/24/13

Figure out where the intercooler is going to sit first, then worry about piping after, base it on the intended position of the intercooler. All it would take is a spotweld on each of the 4 corners of a circle, like if you were to make a cross across it. That will work as effectively as any bead when the T-clamps are tightened. The only point of beading is so the couplers don't blow off under pressure. Spotwelds should do the trick after the piping is cut to fit, just make sure they are round 'bubble' spotwelds and if there are any sharp edges obviously deburr it. If you want to get real fancy, take it to a tuning shop to properly bead it.

 

[hotaccord243]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 1/24/13

Figure out where the intercooler is going to sit first, then worry about piping after, base it on the intended position of the intercooler. All it would take is a spotweld on each of the 4 corners of a circle, like if you were to make a cross across it. That will work as effectively as any bead when the T-clamps are tightened. The only point of beading is so the couplers don't blow off under pressure. Spotwelds should do the trick after the piping is cut to fit, just make sure they are round 'bubble' spotwelds and if there are any sharp edges obviously deburr it. If you want to get real fancy, take it to a tuning shop to properly bead it.

That's kind of what I am thinking I am going to is find a mounting height/location, cut down the bumper support and mount it (allowing the bumper to fit perfect). After that is all said and done re-work the intercooler piping and just either bead it or even bend it outwards to allow it to hold and use heavy duty clamps.

I appreciate all of the input and hopefully get around to doing this this week!

 

[hotaccord243]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

So, got the new Intercooler to sit perfect. When I put the passenger side IC piping on it causes the intercooler to sit 1/2" to 3/4" more to the drivers side but that's alright.

Next steps tonight:
- Cut down bumper support
- Cut down driver side IC piping to fit and flare out for it to hold.

Here's some photos:

So, I decided to use plumbing metal strapping from HomeDepot for support. Works awesome! I would highly suggest this if anyone is mounting an Intercooler and does not have a welder of any kind for tabs to screw the IC to. Here's a link of what i'm talking about:
Clicky

It's 3/4" thick so should hold no problem at all. Just held it to the grille support and bumper holds.

Next is to cut down the bumper support and adjust driver's side IC piping and i'm done!

FYI - heard of this trick that I haven't heard anyone here (that I know of) talk about. If your building your own IC piping and you need to get a bead on it, but don't have a welder this is the trick for you and i'm most likely going to do it:

- Bend the intercooler piping ends out in a few spots for a clamp to hold on to if it wants to blow off.
- Use hairspray on the pipe itself.
- Connect.

When the hairspray dries it acts an added protective measure to hold the IC piping to the coupler just like a bead would, and you also have the bent back areas to add for it to hold on to.
CLickly

The other option is make a DIY tool for bead rolling and use T-bolt clamps. Just thought i'd pass this along....

More to come later tonight....

 

[hotaccord243]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

*Check that. Looks like after putting on the driver's side IC piping it's only 1" short or so.

I'm probably just going to buy a longer piece of silicone coupler as well as a stainless steel 2' section of 45* mandrel bent 3" tube to make the intake better and further from the motor from www.siliconeintakes.com (Awesome site by the way).

I don't even have to screw with the IC piping..

Cutting down the Bumper support now actually!

 

[hotaccord243]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

So, started out with a new angle grinder attachment, and only got 2/3's the way through before it ran out.

So hopefully tomorrow pick up another, and finish up the bumper support, mount the bumper, charge the battery, and mount that.

Next is new tires. After that, TUNE TIME, and i'm coming after you AFAccord...

 

[AFAccord]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

Hack up the support to allow fit, even though it's a pain in the ass.

That's what I'm going to do when I'm back home.

They are currently beaded now, I just was trying to not re-bead them and/or cut and re-weld the piping (which it looks like I will be doing to get it to sit right).....


I just didn't want to go through the hassle of re-working it basically....

My $70 ebay kit came with waaay more pipe than I needed. I mounted the IC, then cut the pipe to length, and used painters tape to secure it in position until the welder tacked it then pull the tape off and finish welding. BTW, all the pipes in my kit were beaded, so I just cut off the last 2" or so with the bead and put one at each end of my piping. $20 in welding is a whole lot less headache than trying any other method.

I was going to ask how the heck you mount that IC, but your photo with the straps answered that question. The hairspray trick is a good one, but kind of a band-aid for poor fab IMO.

So, started out with a new angle grinder attachment, and only got 2/3's the way through before it ran out.

So hopefully tomorrow pick up another, and finish up the bumper support, mount the bumper, charge the battery, and mount that.

Next is new tires. After that, TUNE TIME, and i'm coming after you AFAccord...

That's exactly what I'm going to do with my support to allow me to move my IC up a few inches. I don't want to lose the support altogether, just doesn't sound like a good idea.

You've got another 10 months to catch up! Bring it on!

 

[hotaccord243]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

The hairspray trick is a good one, but kind of a band-aid for poor fab IMO.

Definitely agree with you on that one, hands down, but thought i'd bring it up regardless.

That's exactly what I'm going to do with my support to allow me to move my IC up a few inches. I don't want to lose the support altogether, just doesn't sound like a good idea.

Hear you there as well. managed to get it all cut down just now and sit perfect, but look like a hack job. Either way I don't mind because it will all be hidden either way behind the bumper.

And bumper is almost ready to go on, with the exception of the 2-3" i'm short on the driver side IC piping.

Awaiting longer silicone tubing and mutliple T-bolt clamps so I can connect that and throw the bumper on, finish the intake changes, and i'm done.

You've got another 10 months to catch up! Bring it on!

Oh it's on, i'll be caught up sooner than 10 months. Nothing like a friendly competition eh?

 

[AFAccord]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

managed to get it all cut down just now and sit perfect, but look like a hack job. Either way I don't mind because it will all be hidden either way behind the bumper.

And bumper is almost ready to go on, with the exception of the 2-3" i'm short on the driver side IC piping.

Awaiting longer silicone tubing and mutliple T-bolt clamps so I can connect that and throw the bumper on, finish the intake changes, and i'm done.

Nice. I'm looking forward to doing the same, though my mounting method will be different.

Oh it's on, i'll be caught up sooner than 10 months. Nothing like a friendly competition eh?

Yeah buddy. Unfortunately I'm pretty well stuck where I'm at for the time being. I might dare to make a little more power on the stock sleeves, but I'm pretty paranoid that my tapered wrist pins wouldn't like that so much. I'm almost tempted to tear it down and replace them, though that would be far, far in the future.

Either way, I'm very happy with where I'm at for now. Even with boost by gear and the limited slip, I can feel the differential swinging torque side to side as the tires fight for traction during high boost pulls in 3rd. I think that's scary enough at those speeds, but I may change my mind with a good set of drag radials.

 

[hotaccord243]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

Nice. I'm looking forward to doing the same, though my mounting method will be different.

The mounting method I used was more or less a shortcut just to get it on as i'm moving into my new house next weekend so wanted to be able to drive it over there.... Prob end up welding something together for firmer mounting and holding.

Yeah buddy. Unfortunately I'm pretty well stuck where I'm at for the time being. I might dare to make a little more power on the stock sleeves, but I'm pretty paranoid that my tapered wrist pins wouldn't like that so much. I'm almost tempted to tear it down and replace them, though that would be far, far in the future.

Either way, I'm very happy with where I'm at for now. Even with boost by gear and the limited slip, I can feel the differential swinging torque side to side as the tires fight for traction during high boost pulls in 3rd. I think that's scary enough at those speeds, but I may change my mind with a good set of drag radials.

I understand with the tapered wrist pins and the risk there. But 417whp is a huge achievement and I can only imagine how happy you are to sit tight for a while as more will bring substantial work to be comfortable with the idea.

As far as the LSD and torque steer and struggle for traction, it is quite scary, scarier than sh** actually. I may head the drag radial route as well cause I know it's going to be a challenge (even with the Quaiffe) to get the power to the ground and hold traction, but we shall see right?

 

[hotaccord243]

Re: Going for a re-tune.... (Round #2) Updated 2/6/13

So, update again.

Finally got the intercooler piping all connected (without modification) just using extra silicone tubing and silicone to silicone adapter with a whole sh** ton of T-bolt clamps for extra measure.

Also after receiving my 2' 3" 45* bent tubing, cut it down to where I wanted it and what angle and put it in. Got the air intake filter about another 12" further away from the engine.

That should help significantly as well.

Finally started wiring up the battery in the trunk, and don't have sheet metal screws to torque down the new chasis ground (which works, tested via a battery maintainer). SO a few minor touches and i'm ready for a tune in the spring!